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KV
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| Posted on 20 November 2009 19:00 |
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By now you've heard the 4th and 2 where Belichik went for it. Everyone I know and every TV pundit hates the call, I like the call.
1. It's Tom Brady and the Pats. Converting a 4th and 2 is "easy." League wide it's 56%, with these guys, it's much higher. If you make it, you win the game. By making this call, YOU are taking control of your destiny.
2. On the other end, it's Peyton Manning. Do you want Peyton Manning having 2 minutes to drive down and score? No way, he has done it so many times. By kicking the ball, you are giving up control of your destiny to a guy who makes coming from behind with 2 minutes look easy and giving it to a suspect defense who just gave up a lot of points.
I like the call.
Now, at THIRD and 2, you should have acted as if it was 4 down territory and ran it twice. Or not have Maroney fumble on the goal line earlier.
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Troezen
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| Posted on 20 November 2009 19:15 |
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I liked the call, but not the play they ended up running (unless it was a Brady audible, I'm not sure)
I do however think they should have let Manning score after they didn't get the first. If the receiver didn't pull a Maurice Jones-Drew and kneel at the goal-line, they'd have 1.5 minutes to get in field goal range and win the game. |
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kehl
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| Posted on 20 November 2009 19:30 |
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Interestingly enough, the guy on ESPN compared it to making a 2 point conversion, which essentially it was they way they handled it. Teams are sitting at about 1 in 3 on two point conversions.
I personally think it was some of the worst coaching I have ever seen in last last couple minutes of the game. He wasn't playing the odds and planning to go for it on thrid down. If he was, he probably would have run it like you suggested. Which means he just decided to wing it on 4th down, no way he went and figured all the odds out in a situation like that in like 30 aeconds.
I think he just said, "Hey, I am Bill Belichik and I'll do whatever the hell I want." So yeah, ridiculous call. |
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Troezen
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| Posted on 20 November 2009 21:13 |
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He said that he was indeed already planning on going for it on 4th down when he was on 3rd down. |
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DrEscobar
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| Posted on 20 November 2009 21:26 |
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I thought he got a bad spot. |
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DragonsBlood
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| Posted on 20 November 2009 22:34 |
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Problem with the spot was they were out of timeouts and therefore couldn't challenge the spot. Also, it was before the 2 minute warning so it wouldn't be an official review.
I would have to agree it was a gutsy call but if they converted everyone would be saying what a genius he is, the thing about it is the Pats had already racked up 450+ yards in that game.
The percentages say your going to make the 2 yards. The ref made an iffy spot. Just sets up for one of the greatest match-up come playoffs. The showdown in Indie, plus since weather won't be a factor it is going to be one heck of a high scoring game.
Oh by the way GO BEARS!!
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Asar
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| Posted on 20 November 2009 23:32 |
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Bill made the right call. He knows his team better than anyone, and he got a terrible spot on that one.
Had they got the 1st down, my FF team would have won. Damn Peyton for scoring a TD on the subsequent drive. |
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Anaharat
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| Posted on 20 November 2009 23:46 |
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As a football player, I would say that the decision to go for it was a good call but that the play selection was poor. First of all, I wouldnt have passed the ball in the first place. I would have tried to run some sort of isolation run or if they were really packing the box a pitch would be good. Secondly, if I were going to pass I would have all my routs be at least a yard or two past the first down marker to ensure that I got the first. |
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Doctor Love
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| Posted on 21 November 2009 01:47 |
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I didn't like the call. Peyton Manning is good, but if I recall correctly, they were out of time outs, or maybe had just 1 left. From where they were on the field, they had the opportunity to pin the Colts pretty deep. You have to be able to trust your defense to stop an 80-90 yard drive in a span of 2 minutes. It's not that hard.
So in the end your choices are:
1) You go for it, like the Hoodie did. If you make it, you win. If you don't make it, you probably lose, because 2 minutes IS plenty of time for the Colts to go 30 yards to the endzone.
2) You punt it and try to pin them as deep as you can. Your odds are good that they will not be able to drive the entire length of the field in that period of time with no timeouts. |
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| Posted on 21 November 2009 02:29 |
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i agree with the call 100%
what i DON'T agree with is them not having a play ready to go as soon as 3rd down ended. gave the colts defense way too much time to get set up and prepared to stop the play imo. |
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Doctor Love
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| Posted on 21 November 2009 04:01 |
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IMHO it's a bad call because it puts the fate of the game on the line with a single play needlessly. You never do that unless you have to. Anything can happen in a single play in the NFL.
If you punt the ball away your defense has many plays to try to stop them with a good chance of doing so given the time remaining, and you're not relying on a single play from scrimmage to decide the game.
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KV
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| Posted on 21 November 2009 13:07 |
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Doctor Love wrote:
If you punt the ball away your defense has many plays to try to stop them
How many coaches have said that against Peyton Manning?
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Troezen
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| Posted on 21 November 2009 18:18 |
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I'm a bit curious how the defense reacts tomorrow. It'll do one of two things, may force them to quit on their coach or it could motivate them to play that much better. If i was a betting man, even against a team better than the Jets I'd expect the Pats defense to play with more heart this week than any yet and absolutely dominate.
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Doctor Love
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| Posted on 22 November 2009 02:33 |
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How many coaches have said that against Peyton Manning?
That's just it though, why would you take a chance on a SINGLE PLAY that would hand him the ball with only 30 yards to score and win the game?
Taking the chance you can stop him from making 90 yards with no timeouts > betting the whole game on one play
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kehl
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| Posted on 22 November 2009 13:06 |
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Troezen wrote:
He said that he was indeed already planning on going for it on 4th down when he was on 3rd down.
He was clearly lying or else he would have had the team ready and the play calls on third and fourth down would have been different. Or he was planning on it and he just forgot to tell his team and set up good plays. |
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